Ep 101 Day One: Helene Disaster Recovery with Bill Trinkle
Oct 22, 2024In episode 101, we kick off week one of my hurricane Helene disaster recovery series with an interview with my good friend and full-time RVer, Bill Trinkle.
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Welcome back to the show. This is week one of what I think will be a 6-week series. All about my travels to Asheville, North Carolina, to participate in the hurricane Helene disaster recovery efforts. If you didn't catch episode 100, go back and listen to that either now or after this episode. Because it lays the foundation for what I'll be doing in this series for today in week one, I'm kicking it off with an interview with one of my very good friends, bill Trinkle. Bill and his wife, Porter had been so kind to take me in for a few days before I go into what we're calling base camp, close to Asheville. They live a few hours away from this area and I've been able to spend a few days with them. Getting my last minute supplies and just really spending some great time with some gray friends.
Even though this series is not specifically about remote work. I will still try to connect it to something related to remote work. But I want to remind you that the purpose of this series, in addition to informing people about what's happening on the ground is to continue raising money for the organization that I'm working with called all hands and hearts. All of the money that you donate will go directly to this community and you will find the link, in the show notes.
I hope you enjoy this episode.
Hey, Bill, welcome to the show. We are so excited to have you today.
Thank you so much, Camille. I'm happy to be here.
Yay. Uh, I have wanted to have you on the remote work retirement show since, since, it began. And I think part of that has to do with knowing your background in radio, which we'll probably talk about today, but you and I have always just riffed.
I know, we do, uh, have a lot of fun when we do these sort of podcast shows. I mean, we've never done an official one, but we have many unofficial podcasts.
I'm happy to be here. Thank you.
Awesome. So the point of the episode today will be revealed as we start talking because we're not entirely sure. That's kind of how, kind of how we roll. No, I think the, the overarching theme is that we do want to talk a bit today about Asheville, North Carolina and the Hurricane Helene. Devastation as well as recovery.
We're going to talk about that today. Among other things, you and I, sometimes we get going and we tell all sorts of stories that may or may not be related. And the reason we're talking about that is because you and Porter, who I've known for many, many years, you and your wife, Porter, have been so kind and generous to take me in for a few days before I actually go. and volunteer, uh, with all hands and hearts in this area. And so I, because we all have a connection to the area and because you and I go back about eight years or so, I, I thought this would be a really cool podcast. People could get to hear from you instead of only me.
Great. Yeah, absolutely.
So why don't I kick it off with a little bit about you and then you can go ahead. That way, because I hate the question when people are like, tell us about yourself and you're like, Oh my gosh, where do I start? So when I first met you and Porter back in, I think 2017, early 2017, we all met because we were all full time RVers. Bill is my friend. He comes from radio. He's a full time RVer. He's a fantastic photographer. He's a great storyteller. That's what I got for you. What am I missing?
That sounds, it's a good start. We'll go with that.
Okay. Awesome. And why don't you tell us a little bit about how you RV? Because I know that there are folks listening who really want to do the RV lifestyle.
Yeah. Well, you know, porter and I have been doing it for well over 10 years. So we've been doing it a lot, you know, for quite a while now. And I think that the secret for us in our longevity is we kind of go slow. You know, we stay places. You know a month or months at a time and then move on and go because it's really about It's not we're not on vacation.
It's a lifestyle and We started remote work porter did You know when we started our being Even before we were full time, we were going out for great lengths of time, months at a time. So we started to learn about how we wanted to travel. So we've been doing this for, you know, quite a long time now. And this was before there was even really hot spots and we had to use Wi-Fi at campgrounds, which you would never do now.
And our goal was.to make sure that our employer or employers never knew that we were on the road. It's not that we were keeping it a secret. It's just that it was never a problem. Right. So we never had problems with the internet and everything else. We were very careful about, um, our travels. And so, uh, we are still traveling now, full time, you know, RVing and, uh, still enjoying it and having a great time.
We're not burned out by it yet.
Oh, you said some really good stuff there that I think is important for folks who are maybe new to RVing, and that is it's a lifestyle. Slow travel. We, Bryce and I learned that the hard way because the first year we were just zooming all over the place. It was exhausting. Yeah. just enjoying yourself.
And then the part about the employer, uh, some people ask me that sometimes, like, how do I talk to my employer about working remotely or on the road? And while I don't give them advice to not tell, sometimes that is a way to do it is just don't let, don't let them catch on.
You know, like, for us, we were fortunate we never had to hide it because we had, like, Porter's team, when we first started the idea of just traveling around, like, everyone was already remote. Did it matter where our remote was located? Or that our remote had wheels? And when, once we demonstrated that we could do it and not Like it wasn't a hindrance to be on the road.
Then it was just like, they're like, we don't care where you are, just as long as you do whatever you need to do. Right. So, and I think that taking the, like we have rules, right? Like we, our second biggest expense outside of healthcare. is our internet. We have multiple redundancies of internet and we make sure that we're going places where we can get good internet.
We only travel on weekends. We stay longer in a place so that, you know, when we work during the day, we can go and explore in the afternoons or on weekends that we're there. Plus, when you stay for a month, you get a better rate at a place.
And that makes it easier to be a remote employee because it's not a burden on the employer. It's like, well, they never have an issue with internet or anything else. That's because we have. Currently, one, two, three, four redundancies of internet, you know.
There's a famous story where we were in Florida and our best internet at this place was Verizon, but Porter had a big, She had a big presentation to do, and we were getting some interference, but we needed to take the, to get a better signal, we had to take the hotspot outside the RV.
But the best place for it was kind of in the sun. So the thing was getting hot and was going to overheat. So I famously took a, had a ladder outside to get it up and get the best signal I could, and then I took some frozen peas and put them on the ladder and put the hotspot on the frozen peas so it would, would not overheat and she made it through.
And we told the story to her CEO, like, dude, you don't even know. Like we, during this thing, Bill was outside with the hotspot, putting it on frozen peas. And like, I'm doing this because I know I'm in the same place. She's doing this presentation and I know that things are going wrong. I could see the thing was getting hot.
It was kind of beeping. And I said, Oh, I need to do something. So I just quickly thought. I grabbed the first thing out of the freezer I could. I said, I need to cool this thing down. So, we told her CEO later, like, you don't even know that he was outside holding the hot spot on frozen peas. You do whatever you need to do. You didn't even hear that. You didn't even know that story.
I've never heard the frozen peas story and I don't think I ever would have heard it if not for this podcast. I love that. You're such a good husband, Bill. Look at that. Oh my God. Love that story. And you know what? Frozen peas come in handy for a lot of things apparently.
Sure do. The frozen peas were great.
So funny. Well, so the other thing that comes to mind is not only, um, that you have, you're traveling down to a science, but if I'm not mistaken, it seems that now 10 years into this you and Porter have kind of the main places that you travel to. I'll, I'm not going to tell everyone your secrets, but I mean, it's kind of like three core, 3-ish, maybe 4-rish core states now, right?
Yeah, we've got, um, we've got a circuit that mostly, you know, goes, uh, you know, on the East Coast, and a lot of that has to do with, um, elderly parents and family, and so one of the great things about being remote and traveling is that we've had the ability to visit people and be with them and help them sort of in their time of need.
And so because we've had elderly parents that have gone through, you know, life changes and health issues and just getting older and you want to spend more time with them, uh, we've done, done sort of a circuit. And then Florida tends to be a place that we, that we winter in just because it's the. It's the closest place to get to on the East Coast that has decent weather in the winter.
So, although we've done trips, you know, in the middle of the country and out West, and we've loved it, and we will do it again, we've sort of just found, like, right now, this is the place where we need to be. And because we're full time RVers, we have the ability to do that. To go to people. Otherwise, if we had, we were in a house and we had jobs we had to go to that were locally, um, and we didn't do remote work, like we wouldn't have the freedom to go and be with them.
So now we have the freedom to do that. And so, so being full time RVers and being remote work people is not only just about having the freedom to go and see cool things and travel around, but it's also giving you the freedom to go places where you're needed the most.
A hundred percent. And a couple of those places, and this is what connects us to the topic today, is you also spend a bit of time between South Carolina and North Carolina,
Porter has family in South Carolina and then we've always loved western North Carolina. We've always loved that, you know, those mountains of, you know, around Asheville and into, you know, Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge in Tennessee.
Just that whole area right in there. We've Always visited it on a regular. We've always loved it. Asheville has always been one of our favorite, you know, you've got your top places that you love to visit when you RV. That was one of our favorite places just because it was mountains, you know, and it was beautiful and everywhere you went, there was mountains and it was beautiful. You could come out of Walmart in the parking lot and you got mountains around, you know, it's like, yeah, this is pretty cool. I kind of like this..
We ended up, what, um, we ended up at one point, we were looking for, short story is, COVID hit and we realized we had no, like, home base. We had no place that we could go to, um, You know, if, if we had no place to go, COVID sort of showed us that, whoa, you know, we need a zombie apocalypse plan here. Sort of, you know, like, you know speaking, like they were shutting down campgrounds, people didn't know what to do or where to go. Like it was, so it's just sort of showed us, Hey, maybe we need a place that we own that we can park. And we had, we couldn't, we had just bought a class A. So we had sort of.Sized ourselves out of people's driveways. We didn't have anybody, any family members that had like a driveway big enough to comfortably let us stay. If, you know, if, Hey, we need to, we need to have a home base for a little bit.
We realized that in visiting around Asheville, this little town outside that called Waynesville just West about a half hour, we've actually found a community made for RVers, but now it's got a lot of tiny homes in it, But there was a lot that was for sale. We loved it. We loved the area. Boom. We bought it. And so we own it. So we have a real connection and land, albeit small, um, that we own. And that's sort of a base for us. We have several at this point, but we have a base in Western North Carolina where all this damage. where this hurricane hit and just kind of destroyed the place.
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna talk about that. I think, um, not only do you have a direct connection with the area, but you also mentioned how much you all loved to travel there when you were full timing, and same with us, and, and you and I, well, you and Porter, Bryce and I, we've all spent time in Asheville together.
It's, you know, I mean, it, it's kind of a magical place, you know, there's the Blue Ridge Parkway, there's the mountains, there's great food, there's breweries, you know, you know, there's, yeah, there's artists. There's a, every Friday afternoon drum circle, like it or not, it's kind of weird and kind of fun, you know,
So fun. I love it.
Yeah, it's, it's got a vibe there that's just fun and cool and we've always loved it. Um, and we've loved to visit there and so we enjoy now being, you know, within the vicinity of it because it's just a beautiful place and we love our spot in Waynesville.
Yeah, actually you and I, once we did a photo shoot in Asheville, I'm trying to remember, uh, you, you, we've done a lot, you and I have done a few photo shoots where you become my, uh, brand photographer. For the day. It's great. And if anyone listening, if you see a photo of me and I look like I'm posing, it's most likely from Bill. He took.
Yeah, it's probably, we did, yeah, we've done several photo shoots and I would say probably 80 percent of the photos I've ever seen of you like in some sort of You know, someplace, somewhere, like looking at a computer or whatever. I've taken that. Photography is a hobby of mine. I love it.
I believe you to be more at the professional level than a hobbyist, but I get what you're saying. Like it's a hobby for you. For me, it's like professional level quality, but you know, conversation for another day, I'm sure.
So what I'm trying to remember, and I don't know if you remember this or not, is when we were in Asheville, I remember, I think we were down, I want to say we were kind of, yeah, we were River Arts District, I don't know, were
Yeah, the River Arts District. There was, yeah, there was this area down by the river that used to be very industrial. And as that, those industries started to leave, they left behind a lot of buildings that artists started to go into. And then it became like this super cool hip place, you know, and then the art people came in there and then that was followed by restaurants and breweries.
And then it's down by the river and everyone's like, this place is cool. And so it became a really cool place. Unfortunately, it was right by the river. So we got hit pretty hard.
They got hit so hard, and the, and the River Arts District, um, not only the, these artist communities that Bill is describing, but I actually took classes. from some of the artists in that specific River Arts District building where they have a collection of artists. That entire building base was just wiped off the ground. Wiped off. I mean, I saw, I saw a video the other day of one of the artists there named Fleeta. Um, F L E T A. I can't remember her last name. And, um, they had completely finished gutting the whole building. I mean, it was just, there were some studs left, but that was about it. I mean, all the art got wiped out.
And, and with that, so too do their livelihoods. The artists, because they were selling art directly from that location. So they're rebuilding. You've got a lot of like, a lot of ramifications. We, fortunately, were not there. We, I was up visiting Um, family, um, up in the Midwest, up in Michigan, when Helene hit.
So fortunately we weren't there, but we have a lot of close friends and that are in the area and we're following their stories and we know these places. And imagine being in your home. And, um, all of a sudden, you know, you're sitting at the couch and water comes in, but it comes in so high that it's, you know, uh, it's eight feet over your head, you know, nine feet over your head. Think of it as going all the way up to the ceiling.
Like, imagine, like, what would, what would be going on in your world if there was that much water that was coming into your home?
Quickly.
Very
It's not like these people were on the edge of the river, either. And by the way, this is a big river that runs through there. It's not like a dry creek bed. Like, this is a big river that can hold a substantial amount of water, but there was just so the other thing about that area is, is that what people don't realize is that not only do you have the rain that affects you locally, like the rain that's coming in over your head,
But because you have rivers and mountains, Storms and rain that are miles away are coming down the mountain into the rivers, and now they're affecting you, right? So it can be miles away that that's where the storm is, and you're not even like, well, the storm's not too bad here, but miles away it is, and then here comes the flood.
So there's a lot of factors. It's mountainous, it's rock, there's no place for the water to go, and another part of this is that the Asheville area has always been a place where like people from Florida would go to. There's a lot of Floridians that come there because it's one of the closest places you can go to kind of get out of the heat. So then there's also a lot of people that come there because a hurricane is coming, so this is my closest place to kind of seek refuge.
And that's, yes. And that's so important because I think some people, like I'm from California. And when I talk to people in California, um, so many of them are clued into what's going on, but I think if you don't live in these areas, it's sort of like, oh, another story I heard on the news and it doesn't compute. But some people I've talked to where I'm from, they ask questions like, well, why didn't people leave? They were given warnings. And it's like, but you don't understand. This area has never had anything like this come in. So even though there were these reports of like, Oh, there's going to be a lot of rain and the rivers may surge. It's not like, it's not like, Oh, I need to pack up
A tornado is going to rip through California, everybody leave. And it's like, really? In Orange County? I don't think so. I think I'll just hunker down and try to ride it out. And so, what happened is a lot of people were really caught off guard. And they just couldn't get out quick enough.
And, and the other thing that sort of happened too, because as the community that we have a place in up in that area, we have a Facebook group where people were talking about, hey, the storm's coming in and people were trying to decide what they should do, right? You got a lot of people that are there that so it's like, you're trying to figure out, am I going to stay here or am I going to go to a shelter? Which is kind of like their only options.
And a shelter, although nice, people are like, yeah, I don't know if I want to do that. And then, then the reasoning starts to come in as well. It's never flooded this much before. And I'm looking at the river now and it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's flooding, but it's not that bad. And. You know, how bad can it get? And, on top of that, when it finally started to rise to a critical level, it came quickly. Like, it rose really high, like, within an hour, or just a half an hour, and it happened at, like, three o'clock in the morning.
So these, these people were sleeping. It wasn't during the day while people were watching it. So people like, you know, they're waking up and they're figuring out, Oh no, I can't get out now. Should they, you know, hindsight always is so much better. Right.
The moment, you're thinking, you know, where do I want to go to a shelter or where do I go? Like, where's not going to be affected by the rain? Am I going to go sit in my car in a parking lot someplace? You know, like,
But I think it is important that we, that we, yeah, that we share that so people, so people don't, you know, people are getting little snippets probably of news and I think you have, you have a very direct connection. I have a second connection, so I know less than you.
The other thing that people need to realize is that you have a lot of people that live on the mountains there, right? And if you're living at the mountains and you're at 4, 000 feet, 3, 500 feet, and you're saying, well, the flood's not going to bother me because it's all down in the valleys, right?
So I'm fine. I'm up high enough.
Well, what you don't factor in is that the rain's going to start to come down the mountains and it's going to wash out the road. By the way, the road that stood there for hundreds of years, like a hundred years, that had the road there and now it's going to wash out the road and now you can't get out
Exactly.
because these are mountain roads. They are barely two lane. And they go up. And so people just, and people have ridden out storms similar to this without any issues. So not only does the rain come in and washed out the road and they can't get down, but also the winds come in and knock out all the power. So now they don't have a phone to call anybody. Cause power was out, power was out across the whole region. Cell phones were out across the whole region.
So now you're stuck and you can't call anybody and you don't have, you don't have water because the water systems are, are now contaminated. They're down. They're not working. So you don't have electricity, you don't have water, you don't have communication and you can't even drive anywhere to get
Right. No, it's pretty, it's pretty brutal. And I, and that's one of the reasons why I felt so compelled to go volunteer, um, so we can talk about that a little bit and what's, what's to be expected with that. You know, again, I have a connection to this area. Bryce and I went through Asheville multiple times in our four years in the RV. You and I and you and Porter and Bryce, we've all spent time there. So I feel very connected to the area. I've always wanted to do. Some form of disaster recovery. I talked about that in last week's episode. People can listen to what inspired me to do it. And, and the timing is right for me because I work remotely too. I was like, well, it's now or never for me to go do something like this. And this is the area I want to do it in.
And so on Monday coming, well, by the time this goes live, yeah, it'll be past Monday. But Monday we're making the trek up there so going to see some of this.
By the way, where we are in South Carolina was hit with massive winds and rain. And they had, they didn't have so much the flooding in this area, but they had Almost the entire county was without power and was without power for like a week. And the trees are down. Big trees. Big uprooted trees.
Yeah, I'm seeing it.
They had big winds that came through here that knocked down trees. When you knock down trees, it knocks down power. So we've get, we've seen the devastation that was here. Um, and then we will drive up the mountain into that Asheville area. And we will see, by the way, the way that we're going is almost the only way that you can get into Asheville now, because interstates, major thoroughfares, major roads going through the mountains from like the Tennessee side over on the other side of the mountain range are wiped out. I 40 is wiped out. We can't go that way. So one of the only ways to get into Asheville is taking 26 from the south, which is the way we're gonna go.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so we're taking a bit of a road trip. Um, it's for you. It'll be a big, big drive day.
Big drive day.
Yeah, I'm actually gonna go see your, the land that you talked about first, I believe, and then you're taking me to a base camp where I will be Spending the next six weeks with All Hands and Hearts. That's the organization that I'll be volunteering with. And by the way, I'll put a link for folks to donate if people are so inclined listening to this episode. If you're feeling it, I'm, I am, I have a big number. I want to raise 10, 000. I'm just shy of 4, 000 right now.
So I'll put the link. Yeah, that's respectable. I mean, that's a good chunk of money before I even get on the ground there, but yeah, so you are being so kind. To take me there. And I, I just, I feel really blessed about it because I just would not have wanted to fly in on my own and try to make my way over there and get started. This, this makes it feel spending time with you in Porter first and having you take me there just adds a layer of safety, I guess, security, comfort. So I appreciate it.
Yeah, you know, you're taking steps and you, you're able to come here and kind of logistically get yourself together and, and get the supplies that you're going to need in a more comfortable setting before you just into the whole mess of it, you know? We're happy to help you.
Well, I appreciate that. I have a feeling you and I will both be a bit shocked when we start that drive and I am positive because I've, I know the stories of the people, of my friends that are there and how, you know, it's such an emotional ride because you're, you don't have the things like your homes are damaged.
You're trying to get help. You're trying to chainsaw your way out of your neighborhood. You don't have any, you're, you're going places to get water because water's not coming out of the tap anymore. You don't have any electricity, There's just so many things, and it goes on for a while, and then it just becomes, you know, the trauma of such an event becomes a daily thing, and then You could, you could leave maybe because friends give you an opportunity to go to a place where they have electricity and water, but you're like, yeah, but I don't know that I want to leave my home, right?
And I don't know that for so many reasons you feel almost better staying there to make sure that you, everything kind of goes right and know when the water does and the electricity does come on. So many things that I've seen our friends go through. It's, it's, it's one of those things once it's tough to kind of really imagine it until
Yeah. Yeah, I think the silver lining of what you're describing is that the community has really banded together. And that's another reason why people don't, some people don't want to leave, is they want to continue rebuilding the community. And I will say it's a very resilient, very resilient community. And they will, they will come back in it. It may take some time and it'll, it'll be maybe in a new form, by the way, a lot of the areas are asking tourism to come back already.
One of the things that I do is I run a community, right? An online community, um, that deals with RVing in particular. And what I started to see right at the beginning was people were saying, hey, I'm interested in finding like a campground in this area, which was an affected area in Northern or in Western North Carolina.
And then people would say, don't visit there because you're just going to be in the way. And what the, what the business owners are saying is, hey, that might've been true for like maybe a few days, but that's not true now. Like if you've thought about you wanted to go to Western North Carolina to see You know, the leaves or be there for any of the holidays or skiing or whatever it is, they're saying, please come because not only have we been damaged by the hurricane, but now we're damaged by people who are saying, I don't know if I really want, and this is like one of their big seasons.
Fall season is huge for them and they're saying, hey, don't stay away because there's places for you to stay. There's things for you to do. You're not in anybody's way. Like everyone who's in there for recovery is there and they've got their spots.
That's right. That's right. And, and we all can help. Anything that anyone can do, whether it's a donation or a visit or checking on friends or just even staying, staying abreast of the news about what's happening in the region, it all helps.
Here's a famous story right, right next to us. There's this little town called Maggie Valley, Maggie Valley, North Carolina. Um, that whole area is super effective. There has been a fishing fly shop that has done a tremendous amount of good by cooking food, providing this, They've been a place for people, you know, they had a nice building and a parking lot and everything else. So they've been sort of a community hub for people to come and get all sorts of, of help and resources and so on and so forth. Right.
Then great problem is as much as they have helped the whole, the whole area, they very well might go out of business.because no one is coming to fish. No one's coming there to visit. This is an important part of the season, and they've had no business.
Let's not let that happen. What's the name of it again? What's the name of the shop?
Vallee Fly Shop.
That's it. We're gonna promote We're gonna promote that on this on this episode.
Thank you. Thank you so much Maggie Valley
I'm sure that that's, but that's always, that's a story for everybody.
I know, you're right. Yeah, you're right. And so I think as we as we start to wind down the episode I think the big takeaway for folks listening is Just don't forget about this area, folks, because what tends to happen when things like when disasters hit is a disaster hits and people care or they hear about it for a week or whatever and then everyone moves on with their life. And I think in this particular situation, while there are other very notable storms, Milton and whatnot.
We understand there's only so much you can do. This particular area and this particular storm was like nothing anyone had ever seen. And so we don't want to forget. We want to keep this story alive. Top of mind and we want to just continue talking about it and hopefully donation, more donations will come in because we just don't want folks in this area to be forgotten.
We will start to see it firsthand come Monday.
And then I'll give it, I'll have to do another podcast somehow. I don't know what my internet will be like, but maybe I'll have to have you back and then we'll talk about like how it went and everything.
Bill, it's been a pleasure having you. Is there, is there anything else not related? You got a joke or something we could end with? I know I'm totally putting you on the spot. You have anything like funny? Do you have another bag of peas story at least?
I will say like bringing it back around to what you do here for your podcast is that, you know, uh, having remote work and then for us being full time RVers has really given us the freedom to not only see places, but do things, you know, you're now able to go out And, and, um, donate your time to help with recovery and devastation from a hurricane.
So, I mean, it gives us the opportunity to kind of give us a little bit more freedom than other people who, you know, have, um, Have jobs that they just can't leave on a regular basis. But the great thing is, is I can always take my job with me wherever I go. Right.
It's the best.
Remote work has a lot of, uh, a lot of advantages that maybe we don't necessarily always think of, and it's not always things that are like going to see the Grand Canyon, you know, it's gives you the freedom to take care of places and things that, you know, maybe you never had the freedom to do before.
And people and yourself, self-care. I've literally never worked on the beach with my laptop. So, you know, that is not what working remote I'm not a digital nomad on the beach sipping, you know, All that sand.
Oh, I'm going to get my sand on my computer and in my mouse. Like, who needs that? Like, no. I mean, I know it takes a good photo and everything, but that's, that's not reality that you really want to take part of. It's so impractical, and you're washing that out for days. I mean, come on, what's the matter with you? You don't want to take your computer on the beach. Although we have done it before, I'll be honest with you.
Oh, you have? Oh, you've done it.
Well, we were in St. Augustine and the difference was, was that, uh, you can drive on that beach. So we drove down and we actually worked in it. We backed the truck up and we could, it was winter.so it wasn't really like beach weather, like go outside, but it was still beautiful out there and you could drive. And so we backed up and just sort of watched the, you know, the surf come in. And then we were on our computers in the car. You know, so we kind of well, no sand, at least.
But it wasn't as sandy though. But the sand gets all over. Nobody wants that. That's so who can bother with that? Yeah, for real.
Well, as I said, it's been a real pleasure.
Thank you, Camille.
I'll have to have you back where we're just talking, where we're just doing our normal thing, where we're telling funny
That sounds awesome.
All right, Well, thanks so Bill. We'll see you again next
Thank you.
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